Re: {Chrysler 300} CA Senate Bill 712.

Maybe you guys should register your cars in Maine: no state inspection of any type for cars with Antique plates, no emission testing for ANY cars outside of Cumberland County, which only includes Portland and surrounding towns (As you might imagine, all the “tuners” with their newer rice rockets love that loophole - catalytic converters be damned!)

Keith

On May 31, 2025, at 5:23 PM, RICK AND DEBBIE CLAPHAM <rixpac@xxxxxxx> wrote:

61 G barely failed idle specification, passed 2500 RPM. Opened large idle air bleed screws 1/8 turn.. got back in line and passed testing requirement. New plates came last Monday.

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Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} CA Senate Bill 712.

But it would exempt any cars registered as classic from the smog requirements, so it is a good thing. Unfortunately, it seems to include that registration requirement to be exempt. Most states simply do it by year.

Pete Fitch

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On Saturday, May 31, 2025, 3:31 PM, Nick Taylor <nicksgaragesd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Check the "Problem" section of this - https://sr12.senate.ca.gov/sites/sr12.senate.ca.gov/files/SB%20712%20Fact%20Sheet%20Final.pdf

It states the problem is with 1976-1990 vehicles.

I agree that the text of the bill should be clearer to state vehicles from model year 1976 up to those 35 years old have the new requirements.

Per Blixt is a member of the club and works for Jay Leno.

Driving any car adds to pollution but time and again, studies show that classic cars are such a small contributor that resources would be better spent on other areas that have a bigger impact. But we all know that if someone doesn't care about old cars, it's an easy thing to point at as a problem. I'm sure Jay Leno has several 1976 and newer vehicles he'd like to exempt, especially exotics. I didn't pay much attention to his license plates when we visited his place. I have friend's with large car collections that they drive and they just swap plates around on cars.

Nick

On Sat, May 31, 2025 at 12:21 PM James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have read over the bill three times, and my reading is that ALL the classic cars from 35 years back will have a choice. Get white historic vehicle plates with the restrictions on use and have classic car insurance which also mandates the car to always be in a garage every single night or get it smoged.

Who the hack is going to smog the pre-1968 cars for which there is not data on engine pollutants?

The head of the Senate Committee stated her intend was to stop classic cars from being used a daily drivers as they add to pollution and health issues…of course without any evidence to back it up.

James

From: Nick Taylor <nicksgaragesd@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2025 12:17
To: James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} CA Senate Bill 712.

James,

I don't see how the bill affects you either way. Unless they're going to start smog testing 1964 cars. The wording still states that these vehicles are exempt without the additional conditions:

(3) All motor vehicles manufactured prior to the 1976 ~~model-year.~~ model year.

The section covering the ones that require classic insurance and limited driving are the ones between 1976 and 35 years old. That's going to affect a lot of my friends who drive malaise era cars but they will just be stuck with what they have now, not anything additional.

I was hoping that my 1978 Dodge motorhome was going to get exempted but it won't.

Let me know if I have it wrong.

Nick

On Sat, May 31, 2025 at 11:15 AM 'James Douglas' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I just read the changes in CA Senate Bill 712. No good if you drive your classic car daily.

In my case, I only drive classic cars. It took years to get a classic car insurance company to insure my 1949 Desoto Convertible as I do not own, nor have the garage space in San Francisco, for a modern car. They took my word that we use MUNI here in San Francisco to go to work and do a lot of our daily transportation needs.

The bill looks like it is going to push all classic car owners into having to have a special registration that limits the car use. It would also be mandated that it MUST be on classic car insurance. You cannot and will not be able to drive a classic car to work or to school or daily.

I am hoping that I am reading the changes incorrectly. But I do not think so.

We have spent thousands of dollars in the last 24 months to rebuild the 300K both for our daily use in retirement and for our travels. I only have so much car space and now I will have to sell a car and go buy a new one to be able to place all my cars under classic car insurance.

Jay stuck a stick into the hornets’ nest, and I fear this will not be good for many people. Pure collectors who want to have post-1976 cars will be happy, pre-1976 folks who like to use there cars daily will not.

I really hope I am not reading this bill’s changes correctly.

James

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